I am thinking of bullet weight and higher B.C. The 27 Nosler has a long leade for sleek, high BC, long ogive, ABLR and RDF style bullets. Mag. The .270s are similarly adequate for elkwith caution. Obviously, there is plenty of leeway in all of this, and personal biases can play a big role. Not so long ago, I shot a nice Montana bull from the top of a ridge, down onto a little bench at 350 yards, 180-grain .30-06. Quite frankly I was surprised to get that velocity out of the 270 win. Last year, I purchased a Browning X-Bolt Pro in .28 Nosler. Thats the key to each of these new .270 cartridges. of energy, making it a suitable choice for an all-around North American cartridge. Definitely. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. 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Mag. The 27 Nosler has a neck length of 0.328, so neck tension isnt an issue at all; generally speaking, the cartridges neck should be at least one caliber in length, and most are, with the glaring exception of the .300 Winchester Magnum. Yet, for those who enjoy hunting across the continent or the globe, the 27 Nosler makes a very flexible package that can handle deer and black in the forests, yet reach out across a canyon to handle a bull elk, or across the vastness of the tundra when in pursuit of caribou. No doubt Ive angered all of its fans by comparing it to the old, slow .30-06. Trm82 said: I have one getting chambered right now in 27 nosler . As an elk cartridge, the .30-06 still shines. The 27 Nosler has 32% more case capacity than the .270 Winchester, 22% more than the .270 Winchester Short Magnum and 14% more than the .270 Weatherby. This meant the .338 Win. Many elk hunters consider the old .375 H&H the ultimate elk medicine, but not everyone cares to handle their recoil or the kind of rifle mass that tames it. Even at the 500-yard mark, the 27 Nosler will deliver over 2,100 ft.-lbs. will want to try the more radical-looking SIG Cross in .277 Fury. The Nosler version should be even better. I haven't loaded the 27 nosler. This takes us back to the launch. It shoots a svelte .277-caliber 165-grain . The .338/06 adds about 200 fps muzzle velocity for about two inches less drop at 300 yards and roughly 300 ft-lb more punch. On much of their marketing material for the cartridge, they call it The New Herd Bull.. But that doesnt seem to matter. However, you should be aware that the recoil on a .28 Nosler is not right for all shooters. Many an elk hunter has suggested the .300 Win. But not so much that youre afraid to shoot it. I have just always gravitated to the 7mm's over the 270 cartridges. Obviously velocity is also a ballistics indicator and on the side of the coin, a 400 grain 416 clobbers most anything. Mag., .270 WSM, and 27 Nosler step it up a few notches, and the 6.8 Western with its fast twist barrels nudges bullet weights to the upper end of the 7mm line up. So, next best thing: If youre serious about longer shots on elk, man up and use a fast .30 with todays heavy, low-drag bullets, 200 to 225 grains. Always, the idea is to hit a bull as well as you can, but you want to hit him hard. Sales bloomed immediately when it released. Youll appreciate that kind of performance if you can handle the recoil. I put a Vortex Viper PST Gen II 5-25x scope on my rifle, so the finished setup weighed 31.2 ounces. This little brother to the .338 Win. The . Will you be able to handload once-fired cases? Today most ammo makers also offer 225-grain bullets in a variety of controlled expansion configurations that retain mass well enough to penetrate better than the original 250-grain cup/core styles while delivering equal, sometimes more muzzle energy thanks to higher muzzle velocity. Many argue this about the .28-calibers, too, but the old 7mm Remington Magnum remains, since its inception in 1962, the most popular and effective 7mm elk caliber in the mountains. Again, bullet weight. Two of the newest entrants into this category, the .28 Nosler and the .300 PRC. Any real or perceived failure of the 7mm Rem. Still a great cartridge, as is the .300 Weatherby. But based on the usage, grains, the barrel life could vary. One of the most prominent differences between the two is that the 28 Nosler fires a bullet diameter of 7.2mm or 0.284" while the 300 Win Mag fires the more common 30-caliber or 0.308" diameter bullets. In fact, the first time my friend, who is a seasoned shooter himself, shot my 28 Nosler, he got scoped! Just $1 per month , Heres a list of some of the most notable cartridges for elk hunting. The 33-caliber has become a crowded family, and all members are more than suitable for elk. Guns. No matter, people are shooting at elk at longer ranges, and todays rifles, optics, and bullets will get there. This gives it the necessary elasticity to expand and seal the chamber while the stronger steel keeps the head from rupturing. Loaded with a 150gr bullet, the 27 Nosler is 400fps faster than a 270 Win, and 300fps faster than a 270 WSM at the muzzle. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. quote: 7mm/284 and 6.5 have a huge selection of bullets already available. The .277 Fury works with much higher chamber pressures to get high velocity. With archery energy is not the killing factor, yet arrows kill big elk quickly. Magnum, 26 Nosler, and my choice for all-round balance in a short action rifle, the 6.5 PRC. For example: Fire a Nosler 168-gr. 27 Nosler ; 270 Weatherby Magnum; 270 Winchester; 270 Winchester Short Magnum; 28 Nosler; 280 Ackley Improved; . Elk wont care one way or the other so long as you use a suitable bullet and park it properly. But that doesnt mean we cant come up with other cartridges shooting .277-inch bullets. Joined Feb 19, 2010 Messages 3,240 Location GODS COUNTRY IDAHO. If the .338s are the best caliber on the upper end for elk, the 7mms are the best at the lower end. Despite these developments, the original .270 Winchester continued to rule the roost. Your email address will not be published. Add in the lighter recoil of the .300 Win. Yes, this is a short-action, small capacity case which demands we ask the obvious question: how can the little .277 SIG Fury shoot as fast from a 16-inch barrel as the larger .270 Winchester shoots from a 24-inch barrel? No matter 27 or 28 caliber. I wouldnt want to use my lightweight rifle in .28 Nosler for a range gun when I want to shoot 50-100 shots for a practice session. Mag. The venerable .270 Winchester has been a mainstay on gun store racks, ammo displays and in reloaders cabinets for decades. Selecting your perfect elk caliber hinges on you as well as the elk and the landscapes and habitat in which youll hunt them. Flatter trajectories. The 27 Nosler can . As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases. The 7 WSM and 7 SAUM just about match it in handier short action rifles. Although perhaps not an ideal extreme range cartridge, the .338 shoots surprisingly flat. Both new rounds exceed the ballistics of the old one, but do it in different ways. I also have a 28 Nosler and am very impressed with its performance. With such a rifle, we are expecting a shot at less than 100 yards. Lots of familiar rifles are chambered for it, ammo is abundant, variable and inexpensive. The .270 Winchesters SAAMI spec maximum chamber pressure is 65,000 psi. 30 Nosler cases are preferred if forming 27 Nosler cases because of the similar shoulder dimension. The immediate success of the 7mm Rem. Mag. The main body, however, is brass. They share a maximum body diameter of 14.0 mm (0.550 in). Shot placement and bullet performance cause quick humane kills. Mag. Kevin Steele stops by the Taurus booth to speak with Cody Osborn about the all new Raging Hunter platform from Taurus International. Publisher of Petersen's HUNTING magazine, Kevin Steele is at the Steiner Optics booth with Alberto Corbetta to discuss the Predator 4 and Predator 8. First, 7mm bullets tend to have better aerodynamics, so they will strut their stuff better at longer ranges. Nov 7, 2022. Kali Parmley, Editor-in-chief of Bakccountry Hunter speaks with Bret Maffet of Franchi Firearms to discuss the all new Momentum All Terrain Elite. hatched five years later and gave big brother a real run for his money. The smaller the bullet, the higher its quality and the more precise its deposit must be. These rifle weight/size considerations will influence cartridge size, especially length. If your chosen bullet fails to expand at 1,000 yards, its a poor choice, no matter the energy. The primary example right now is the 28 Nosler, but 7mm bullet development continues, and I predict cartridge development will keep pace. A final consideration these days is availability of guns and ammo. The .277-inch bore has been definedfor nearly a centuryby the .270 Winchester, and while that cartridge is an undeniable classic, its twist rate limits the bullet weight to 150 grains maximum, with some of the round nosed 160s stabilizing properly in certain circumstances. The new Sig round is wildly different than any other .270 cartridge because its been chronographed spitting 140-grain .277 bullets 3,000 fps. 2500fps and 1600+ft-lb at same distance. If you were to buy a scope for all around elk hunting/500 yards and in 2.5x8 would be just . Some folks will take any attempt to improve the .270 Winchester as a direct insult, yet I disagree: like the .22-250 Remington and .35 Whelen, an improved twist rate can really change the game altogether, and this is exactly what the 27 Nosler has done. While there are some drawbacks to this cartridge for elk hunting, in general its one of the best rounds on the market. Im not not the kind of shooter that whips out a 50BMG or .338 Lapua for a casual day on the range. Publisher, Kevin Steele is with Brett Marquardt from Streamlight Inc. discussing the new Streamlight Pro Tac 2.0, the latest edition in the Pro Tac series. Ever since Nosler announced that they were coming out with the Nosler 27, I have been thinking I would prefer a Nosler 28. You might want to grab yourself a 27 Nosler unless. Calibers lighter and heavier than the 7mms through .338s can be considered excellent for elk. Before we begin, you should understand that this is a round up of the best calibers and cartridges for elk, not necessarily the most popular ones. Read Next: Weird, Off-Beat, and Cool Guns and Gear from SHOT Show 2020. With the Jeffery-based case, youll want to look to powder choices on the slow end of the spectrum. The elk offers a huge vital zone. Here was the same basic belted magnum case, but the 7mm threw bullets as heavy as 175 grains. Its a bolt action looking quite a bit like an AR-15. I took some big elk with the Swift A-Frame and bullet performance was exceptional. My 28 Nosler launches the 162 Grain EL-DX's at 3,250 FPS. I used a 7mm Rem Mag for years, great cartridge. Old Elmer Keith back in the dark ages of the mid-20th century claimed the .270 Winchester was an adequate coyote round. Mag. Winchesters original .270 of 1925 is still embraced as a mild-shooting, flat-shooting, open-country deer cartridge. I wouldnt say Im especially recoil sensitive, but I dont have an iron shoulder either. 28 Nosler is essentially a shortened version of the 7mm Remington Ultra Magnum (7mm RUM). Most hunters dont absolutely need such long, heavy bullets for effective performance at responsible game-taking distances, but beyond 300 yards they do flatten trajectories, minimize wind deflection, and maximize retained energy. That bullet offers the best of all worlds, as it will reliably expand at longer ranges when it has slowed down a bit, yet will hold together at woods distances when velocities remain high; it is also respected as a very accurate bullet. Whats best for you depends on the distance you intend to shoot, based on where you hunt. Years of development and pushing the limits of what is possible in a rifle optic have led up to this moment. Ditto the .416s, 44s, and 45s. Commissions are earned for links to Brownell's, Amazon, MidwayUSA, GoHunt, OpticsPlanet, Sportsman's Warehouse, and other retailers. because maximum average chamber pressure is 64,000 psi. Bulls are bigger than cows; and mature, fully grown bulls are huge. Design evolves. Ron Spomer []. Because of lower pressure and achieving full velocity with less powder, the .30-06 has less felt recoil than a 7mm Remington Magnum. If you like velocity, the 27 Nosler will fit the bill, as it drives the 150-grain bullets to a muzzle velocity of 3300 fps, and the 165-grain bullets to 3150 fps. Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. Fantastic cartridge and superb bullet! A few more calibers throwing those famous .308 bullets include the .300 Ruger Compact Magnum, .300 SAUM, .300 WSM, .30/308 Norma Mag., .300 H&H, 30 Nosler, .300 Wby. The cartridge fires a bullet with a diameter of .284 inches or 7mm.